Brand's barrister Ian Winter KC reports himself to watchdog after courtroom clash with Sunday Times reporter

A 21-year-old fan was raped by Brand in 2009, and three women were sexually assaulted in separate incidents between 2004 and 2009.
"I hope you are pleased with yourself."
Ian Winter KC's words to Sunday Times reporter Rosamund Urwin outside Southwark crown court after the verdict.
Mark

Why did Winter report himself, rather than wait for someone to complain?

Mimi

His statement says the press characterisations made it his professional duty, so that the matter could be properly scrutinised. Complaints had also reportedly been submitted by others.

Luke

Careful there. "It is understood" that several complaints exist, but the regulator won't confirm anything. We know Winter says he filed one. That's the confirmed part.

Mark

What was said outside the courtroom?

Mimi

Winter told Urwin he hoped she was pleased with herself; she said she was pleased justice was done; he said it wasn't, and used an expletive. Journalists watched it happen.

Luke

The words are reported from the Guardian's account of that scene. Winter's own statement doesn't dispute or detail them. He only refers to "allegations".

Mark

Why was Urwin there at all?

Mimi

She says her name had come up often in the trial, so she went to introduce herself. That's her account, given on a Times podcast.

Mark

And the wider argument about rape myths?

Mimi

Winter told the jury none of the complainants resisted, screamed or tried to leave. Waxman, Rowley and campaigners say that leans on assumptions about how victims behave.

Luke

Those are criticisms of the argument, not findings about the lawyer. And the government has only said it will consider Waxman's proposals, not adopt them.

Mark

What happens next?

Mimi

Sentencing is Monday. The Bar Standards Board process is likely to stay confidential unless it reaches a tribunal.

Luke

So we may not learn the outcome for a long time, if ever.

  • A barrister confronted a Sunday Times journalist moments after his client's rape conviction, and the words "You fucked it" have set the press on fire.
  • Ian Winter KC has referred himself to the Bar Standards Board, while several complaints reportedly sit with the regulator, unseen and unresolved.
  • Editors and commentators call the conduct reprehensible, accusing the defence of impugning both the reporter and the twelve jurors who convicted Brand.
  • Calls are growing for juries to be warned against rape myths and for sexual history to be kept out of trials, with Scotland Yard and No 10 signalling they want change.
  • Brand, 51, is in custody and faces sentencing on Monday, with the debate over fair trials and victim treatment still gathering force.

On a Thursday afternoon outside Southwark crown court, a long and bitter trial reached its close, and the quarrel that followed spilled out of the courtroom into the wider argument a society keeps having with itself about rape, belief, and who gets to be heard. Russell Brand was found guilty of rape and three counts of sexual assault, and in the moments after, his barrister and a reporter whose work had helped bring the complaints to light stood face to face. What began as one lawyer's bitter words now carries the weight of older questions: how a fair trial is protected when public reporting has run ahead of the courtroom, and what assumptions about how victims should behave still linger in the room. Brand awaits sentence on Monday, and the questions his case has raised will outlast the day.

The exchange happened on a Thursday afternoon outside a courtroom door at Southwark crown court, with journalists watching. Ian Winter KC, the barrister who had just lost his client's case, approached Rosamund Urwin of the Sunday Times and told her he hoped she was pleased with herself. When she said she was pleased justice had been done, he replied that it wasn't, and that she had ruined it. It came moments after a jury found Russell Brand guilty of rape and three counts of sexual assault at the end of a four-week trial.

On Friday Winter said he had referred himself to the Bar Standards Board, having seen how the day's press had described his conduct. The regulator would not comment, and complaints are usually kept confidential unless they reach a tribunal. Urwin said she had gone over only to introduce herself, since her name had come up often during the trial, and was surprised by the hostility. Her editor, Ben Taylor, defended her and argued that the verdict belonged to a jury of eight men and four women, so attacking her meant attacking them too.

The clash grew out of a defence that had argued the press had "poisoned the well" and made a fair trial impossible. The verdict has also reopened the debate over rape trials. Winter had told the jury none of the complainants had screamed or tried to leave, and campaigners and the Met's commissioner called such assumptions victim-blaming. The government says it is changing the law to keep irrelevant sexual history out of court. Brand, who denies every charge, was convicted of raping a 21-year-old fan in 2009 and of assaulting three women between 2004 and 2009. He will be sentenced on Monday.

The exchange took place outside a courtroom door at Southwark crown court on Thursday afternoon, with a group of journalists looking on. Ian Winter KC, the barrister who had just lost the case of his client Russell Brand, approached Rosamund Urwin of the Sunday Times and told her: "I hope you are pleased with yourself." Urwin's reporting had led Brand's victims to come forward.

Urwin answered that she was pleased justice had been done. Winter replied, "Well, it wasn't. You fucked it." He then added: "Congratulations." It came moments after a jury found Brand guilty of rape and three counts of sexual assault at the end of a four-week trial. He was cleared of two further charges of rape and one of attempted indecent assault.

On Friday lunchtime Winter issued a statement saying he had referred himself to the Bar Standards Board, his professional regulator. Having seen how the matter had been characterised in the day's press, he said, his professional duty required him to self-report so it could be properly scrutinised. "I have made such a report," he said. The regulator said it would not comment on whether it had received any information about potential misconduct by a barrister, however that information reached it. It is understood that several complaints have been submitted. A spokesperson said complaints are usually handled confidentially unless they end in a disciplinary tribunal hearing.

Urwin described her side on a Times podcast. Her name had come up repeatedly during the trial, she said, so after the verdict she went to introduce herself. "I thought he's talked about me a lot, I'll go and introduce myself and that is a legitimate thing to do," she said, adding that she was surprised to be confronted and spoken to in that way. The comedian Katherine Ryan called the behaviour "so unprofessional, so inappropriate, so aggressive" on her podcast. Ben Taylor, editor of the Sunday Times, defended Urwin, his chief news correspondent. He said he had never seen or heard of a barrister behaving this way, and noted that it was not Urwin who found Brand guilty but a jury of eight men and four women who had heard the evidence and the defence. By impugning her integrity, he argued, Winter was impugning the jury, the judge and the entire case, and should be called to account.

The clash echoed a line of argument the defence ran throughout. Winter had said coverage by the Times, the Sunday Times and a Channel 4 Dispatches documentary had "poisoned the well", making a fair trial impossible. In pre-trial argument, Brand, through Winter, called the journalists who first exposed him "criminals" and suggested they might have perverted the course of justice. Mr Justice Bennathan rejected the bid to halt the trial, ruling that Brand could be tried by people who had not seen the earlier reporting. Brand, 51, denied every charge and said he was the victim of a media conspiracy.

The verdict has also reopened a debate about how rape trials are conducted. In his closing speech, Winter said none of the complainants had "resisted or screamed or even tried to leave" during their encounters with Brand. Claire Waxman, the victims' commissioner for England and Wales, is seeking a change in the law so juries are warned against "rape myths", and criticised outdated assumptions that victims must have screamed or fought back. Deniz Ugur of the End Violence Against Women coalition said it was appalling to see defence lawyers lean into tired tropes about rape.

Sir Mark Rowley, head of Scotland Yard, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he backed Waxman, saying what he had heard reported was "getting very close to victim-blaming". Some people fight, some freeze, some tell someone at once and some stay silent for years, he said; there is no single way to react. A No 10 source said the prime minister, Andy Burnham, believes her proposals should be examined. A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said judges can already direct juries to counter rape myths, and that the government is changing the law to stop irrelevant sexual history and previous allegations being weaponised against victims.

Brand was convicted of raping a 21-year-old fan in 2009 and of sexually assaulting three women in separate incidents between 2004 and 2009. He is in custody and will be sentenced on Monday.

I found what Mr Winter did quite extraordinary. I have never seen or heard of a barrister behaving in this way.
— Ben Taylor, editor of the Sunday Times
Having seen the ways matters have been characterised in today's press, I consider my professional duty requires me to self-report.
— Ian Winter KC, statement on Friday
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