Ali's Lawyers Seek to Bar Victim's Father From Post-Trial Hearings Amid Gun Probe

A 13-year-old girl was murdered in 2017, and her father faces allegations of bringing a weapon into a courtroom amid fears for the safety of trial participants.
A target on your back, a coin toss away from shots fired
Defence lawyer Tim Russell described his colleagues' fear after the alleged gun incident at the Ali verdict.
Mark

Why does this hearing matter if the verdict is already in?

Mimi

Because sentencing and other post-trial steps are still ahead, and Ali's lawyers say they won't appear while the father could be involved. The proceedings are effectively stalled on a safety dispute.

Mark

What exactly is alleged?

Mimi

That on Dec. 8 he brought a loaded Glock into the Vancouver Law Courts. McCullough says Victoria Police told him it was with an intent to kill.

Luke

Let's be careful there. That description comes from McCullough relaying what police told him. The father hasn't been charged, and Martland says nothing has been proved.

Mark

But police did act.

Mimi

They did. An arrest was confirmed on Dec. 12, items were seized Dec. 9, and he has a no-contact undertaking and a courthouse-area restriction.

Luke

Those are real steps, but an undertaking isn't a finding. And we don't know what the investigation has concluded.

Mark

What is the father actually asking for?

Mimi

Not a seat in the room. He wants a phone interpreter to relay proceedings and access to materials on this application.

Luke

And Russell's argument is that on this question he's treated like the accused, not the victim. The judge hasn't ruled on that, only on standing.

Mark

What's still unknown?

Luke

Whether he'll be excluded, and what happens in Surrey court next month. The son hadn't commented either.

  • A loaded Glock allegedly brought into the Vancouver Law Courts on the day of a murder verdict has turned a courthouse into a site of fear.
  • Police have investigated the victim's father without charging him, while he remains under a no-contact order that bars him from the courthouse area.
  • Ali's lawyers refuse to attend post-trial hearings, sending a colleague to argue that the father must be shut out entirely.
  • A judge has granted the father standing, but the decision on whether he can listen in remains unresolved, with a Surrey court date looming next month.

In a high-security courtroom in Vancouver, built for one of Canada's most fraught terrorism trials, a grieving father has found himself at the center of a question that rarely arises: whether a parent of a murdered child may hear what follows a verdict, when his presence is itself under police scrutiny. The case grows out of a 13-year-old girl's death in 2017 and the conviction of Ibrahim Ali, and it sets a family's loss against the fear of everyone else who must sit in the same room. Here the law is asked to weigh grief, suspicion and the fairness owed to the accused, and it has not yet settled how much of each can coexist.

In Courtroom 20 of the Vancouver Law Courts, a hearing turned on a question few trials ever face: should the father of a murdered 13-year-old be allowed to listen to proceedings after the verdict? The girl's body was found in a Burnaby park in July 2017, and last month Ibrahim Ali was convicted of her first-degree murder. He faces a mandatory life sentence, and sentencing has not yet happened.

The dispute traces back to Dec. 8, the day of the verdict, when Ali's lawyer says police told him the father had brought a loaded Glock into the courthouse. The father has not been charged. His items were seized the next day, and he is due in Surrey Provincial Court next month on their disposal and on a prohibition order that would bar him from possessing firearms. Police have restricted him from the courthouse and its surroundings.

Ali's lawyers, citing safety, refuse to attend post-trial proceedings and want the father excluded from them entirely. Their counsel argued that anyone in the courtroom that day was effectively a victim and that the defence must be free of fear to make its case. The father's lawyer answered that his client seeks only a narrow role, an interpreter relaying the hearing by phone, and noted that the firearm allegation has been proved in no court. The Crown supported the father's standing.

Justice Lance Bernard granted the father standing on Wednesday but has not yet ruled on whether he may be barred from listening in. That decision, and the Surrey court date, are what comes next.

In Courtroom 20 of the Vancouver Law Courts, a high-security room built for the Air India terrorism trial, a hearing on Wednesday turned on a question few trials have to answer: whether the father of a murdered child should be allowed to listen to what comes after the verdict. Bulletproof glass separates the room from the public gallery.

The father cannot be named, because a publication ban protects the identity of his daughter, who was 13 when she was killed. Her body was found in a Burnaby park in July 2017. Last month Ibrahim Ali was convicted of first-degree murder in her death. Ali, who appeared by video on Wednesday, has not yet been sentenced. He faces a mandatory life term with no chance of parole for 25 years.

The dispute began on Dec. 8, the day of the verdict. Ali's lawyer Kevin McCullough said in an interview last month that Victoria Police told him two days later that the father had brought a loaded Glock into the courthouse with an "intent to kill." The father has not been charged, according to his lawyer, Brock Martland. Police seized items from him on Dec. 9, and court documents show he is due in court next month on the disposal of those items. A spokeswoman for the BC Prosecution Service said he also faced a "prohibition order," which under the Criminal Code can bar a person from possessing firearms, crossbows, restricted or prohibited weapons, ammunition and explosives. He is due to appear in Surrey Provincial Court.

Vancouver Police confirmed on Dec. 12 that a man had been arrested and that an investigation was under way into allegations that someone brought a weapon into the courthouse during the Ali trial. An email from the force to Ali's lawyers on Dec. 11 said the father was under a no-contact undertaking with them and "must not enter" the vicinity of the Supreme Court in Vancouver. It told the lawyers to call 911 immediately if he breached it. Martland said the undertaking restricts his client from the courthouse and from within a few blocks of it.

McCullough and co-counsel Ben Lynskey are refusing to attend the post-trial proceedings, citing safety concerns. They want the father excluded from the hearings in any form, and they oppose a Mandarin court interpreter translating for him. On Wednesday they sent a colleague, Tim Russell, to argue the application.

Russell said the question was whether the lawyers' fears were reasonable. "To have a target on your back and realize you were a coin toss away from having shots fired would instil the most reasonable fear in anyone," he told the court, adding that anyone in the courtroom on Dec. 8 was also a victim. He said the lawyers were not trying to undermine the open court principle, but to ensure Ali gets a fair process with counsel who can make submissions "without fear, without intimidation, without distraction." He argued that, for the purposes of this application, the father stands in the position of the accused, and that his status as a victim has no bearing on it.

Martland said his client was seeking only a narrow form of involvement. He is not asking for a ruling that lets him into the courtroom, but for an interpreter attending by phone to relay the proceedings, along with access to materials in the application. He noted that no charges have been proved or laid over the firearm allegation, and said that if the defence believes the no-contact undertaking is breached, it should call police, as the department's email advised. Crown lawyer Daniel Porte told the judge the Crown supported the father's request for standing.

Justice Lance Bernard ruled in the father's favour on standing on Wednesday. He has not yet ruled on the broader application to ban the father from listening in. The man's son did not immediately respond to a voice mail seeking comment. The ruling on exclusion, and the father's court date in Surrey next month, are what to watch next.

We are seeking to ensure that Mr. Ali can have a fair trial... with counsel who are free to make submissions without fear, without intimidation, without distraction.
— Tim Russell, lawyer for Ali
No charges have been proved or laid in an investigation about an allegation that he had a firearm in the court.
— Brock Martland, lawyer for the victim's father
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